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first election ads
01-13-2019, 06:55 PM
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first election ads
Just saw my first federal election ads
thinly disguised as government promotion of infrastructure in queensland.
the melbourne -brisbane inland rail and the toowoomba range road crossing featured.
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01-13-2019, 07:14 PM
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RE: first election ads
We have a state one to get through first.

However I did see a possible approach of the Morrison campaign - "Labor's policies are much worse than the policies we don't have as yet." The suggestion is that the current federal government should more accurately be referred to as the Opposition to the Opposition.

I have seen a recent op-ed by Josh Frydenberg where he refers to Labor about 2 dozen times but I can't find it now. I think it might have been in The Australian. I'll keep looking.

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01-13-2019, 07:50 PM
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RE: first election ads
It's a good sign that nobody at all has a clue what to do about anything when they both go negative!
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01-13-2019, 07:55 PM (This post was last modified: 01-13-2019 07:56 PM by maxhr54.)
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RE: first election ads
it was stated on the news tonight that the fake election campaign started today with sco-mo and shorten.
I think Bill is going up the queensland coast in a bus.
hmmmmm...i think that has already been done...
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01-13-2019, 08:18 PM (This post was last modified: 01-13-2019 08:37 PM by Warri the Wombat.)
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RE: first election ads
(01-13-2019 07:50 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  It's a good sign that nobody at all has a clue what to do about anything when they both go negative!
I don't think both are equally negative at this stage of the game.

Liberal Party

Quote:Liberal Party Policies 2019 (their own website)

Our 2019 election policies will be published here during the election campaign.

To read about our plan for a stronger economy and a more secure Australia visit: http://www.liberal.org.au/our-plan

Labor Party

Quote:Federal Labor’s initial mini-manifesto, unveiled on Sunday by Opposition Leader Bill Shorten, covers education, health, human services, tax, industrial relations, energy and infrastructure.

Below we’ve organised the election promises by major portfolio cluster:

Education and Training

Give every school the funding it needs – with more teachers and resources to give students greater individual attention and extra support for kids with special needs.

Two years of pre-school education for every child – quality universal preschool education for three and four years olds taught by qualified early educators.

Create more apprenticeships – waiving upfront fees for 100,000 TAFE students and making one in ten positions on infrastructure projects an apprenticeship.

Build better TAFE – invest $100 million in TAFE upgrades and guarantee public TAFE receives two thirds of vocational education funding.

More university places – end the Liberals cap on university places and help 200,000 more young Australians graduate from university over the next decade.

Environment and Energy

Invest in cheaper, cleaner renewable energy – to deliver 50 per cent of power from renewable sources by 2030.

End the power privatisation mess – keep Snowy Hydro in public hands, and put an end to incentives for states to privatise their electricity assets.

Better regulate power prices – with a new regulated capped offer protecting families and small business from price gouging by big energy companies.

Stronger gas export controls – to keep Australian energy prices down and protect local manufacturing jobs.

Future proof our energy network – by supporting new battery-storage, transmission lines, gas pipelines and dams.

Support a just transition to renewables – helping workers and communities as ageing coal plants close and are replaced with cheaper, cleaner renewables.

Empower businesses and communities – with support to access renewable energy and cut energy waste.

Health

Invest in more beds, doctors and nurses – to cut waiting lists for elective surgery and unclog emergency departments.

Deliver new MRI machines – with Medicare licenses for the suburbs and regions that need them.

End the Medicare Freeze – to address rising out-of-pocket costs and keep health care affordable.

Cap private health insurance premiums – with increases capped at no more than 2 per cent for the next two years.

Industry and Jobs

Restore penalty rates – to deliver fair pay for up to 700,000 retail and hospitality workers.

Crack down on dodgy labour hire – ensuring labour hire companies must provide workers the same pay and conditions as those employed directly.

Stop sham contracting and fake casuals – so workers can’t be forced to be ‘permanent casuals’, and companies can’t avoid their obligations by getting staff to register as contractors.

Close the gender pay gap – taking action to deliver equal pay for equal work by forcing big business to report on their pay gap publicly.

Crack down on the abuse of 457 visas – by limiting them to areas of genuine skill shortage and requiring positions to be advertised in Australia for local workers first.

Use Australian grade steel – when building public infrastructure projects.

Protect local manufacturers – by taking action against illegal dumping of cheap foreign products in the Australian market.

Infrastructure, Regional Development and Cities

Expand our public transport network – including the Cross River Rail project in Brisbane, the Western Metro in Sydney, connecting the Western Sydney Airport to the rail network from the day it opens, expanding Perth’s METRONET, and extending the Number 11 Tram line in Melbourne.

Build better roads and safer highways – including safety upgrades to the Bass and Murchison highways in Tasmania, extending the Bruce Highway to Cairns Airport, funding the Mackay and Rockhampton Ring Road projects, and delivering the Romeo Road to Mitchell Freeway extension in Perth.

Upgrade regional bridges – including the Bridgewater Bridge in Tasmania, building a wider bridge over the Shoalhaven River in Nowra, and deliver up to 300 wider, stronger bridges in regional Queensland.

Invest in dams and water infrastructure – including the Northern Adelaide Irrigation Scheme, building the Rookwood Weir Dam, upgrading the Burdekin Dam and delivering water security for Townsville.

Deliver a freight and logistics network fit for purpose – with upgrades for up to 3,000 kilometres of Queensland’s inland road network to make it easier for agricultural producers to get their products to market, widen and deepen Townsville Port and build a dedicated heavy vehicle access road to the Port of Gladstone.

Finance new tourism infrastructure – with a billion dollar fund to invest in tourism projects across northern Australia, in Western Australia, Queensland and the Northern Territory.

Treasury and Finance

Make multinationals pay their fair share – close the loopholes exploited by multinationals and stop profits being stashed away in tax havens.

Close loopholes used by the top end of town – stop the use of family trusts to avoid paying fair share of tax

Wind back the excesses in dividend imputation – end cash refunds on share dividends for investors who don’t pay tax.

Cap deductions for use of accountants – with a maximum $3,000 deduction for using accountants to prepare personal tax returns.

Reverse Morrison’s tax cut for millionaires – ask the top tax bracket to pay a little more so we can pay down the Liberals’ debt in a responsible way.

Give workers a tax break – of up to $1,063 each year, instead of giving handouts to the top end of town.

Level the playing field for first home buyers – by reforming tax concessions for property investors so they don’t have an unfair advantage when purchasing existing homes.

Guarantee pensions – no changes to the pension age or rebates for pensioners.

https://www.themandarin.com.au/99632-alp...manifesto/

What do you think Morrison has up his sleeve to counter the above list? Will it work if he decides to just point to the Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison government successes? Will "Trust us, we know what we are doing and the other mob does not ?" be enough to hold seats in Victoria and Queensland?

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01-13-2019, 08:56 PM
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RE: first election ads
No mention of taking away battlers franking credits in there. Angry
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01-13-2019, 09:49 PM
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RE: first election ads
You're right there Max.
It is what they don't say, as well as what they promise, that needs looking into.
Both sides, and everyone in between. No exceptions.

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01-13-2019, 10:14 PM
Post: #8
RE: first election ads
Quote:What do you think Morrison has up his sleeve to counter the above list? Will it work if he decides to just point to the Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison government successes? Will "Trust us, we know what we are doing and the other mob does not ?" be enough to hold seats in Victoria and Queensland?

Hopefully Josh will be able to explain the free candy addicts that the "above list" is going to cost massively more than will be recouped in higher taxes and stealing nest eggs from retirees who worked to earn them. The promise only extends to pensioners who didn't.

Have you really read the list of wonders Labor will perform?? The same wonders that they've been promising for decades but never did manage to get around to doing. It's pork barreling taken to high art form and any kind of reasonable thought would immediately conclude that all of these policy promises have never materialised because we simply can't afford them! It's a cruel tease, offering carob in Ferro Rocher wrappings.
You don't believe the LNP can do it, why would you believe that Labor's Tax Pixie can?? How?. They say what they'll give away, but other than threatening to steal it from those in "the top end of town" how will they pay??

Do Bill and Pixie think the 'topenders' are going to hang around and hand it over? ... or that they'll sell up and move to the Bahamas? ... and base their businesses in Asia?

Bill will only get to tax them once, and only if they're slow. They're not as gullible as Labor voters. (... and Pixie Bowen apparently).


This is not policy. This is campaigning slogan riddled bullshit. The wording is pure dogwhistle, envy fodder. It's not positive, it's just the same old Labor spin. It's 'fair' to take earnings, and fair to give them to those who don't contribute ? Nothing new there.
Still relying on other peoples' money to support empty promises to the non productive.
If they confined their promises to the possible I'd be fine with it. But governments don't have any money, they can only spend ours and less and less of us are earning any to pay those taxes they always swing on. Less people earning + higher taxes = nobody working. Like Greece.



Is this Policy, or the lexicon of envy politics buzzwords??

Quote:... Treasury and Finance

Make multinationals pay their fair share – close the loopholes exploited by multinationals and stop profits being stashed away in tax havens.

Close loopholes used by the top end of town – stop the use of family trusts to avoid paying fair share of tax

Wind back the excesses in dividend imputation – end cash refunds on share dividends for investors who don’t pay tax.

Maybe they don't understand that doing that is imposing taxes on those who earn less than taxable income?? How fair is that?? Taxing pensioners is okay now? Keep your heads down! Someone needs to explain it to Pixie Bowen

Cap deductions for use of accountants – with a maximum $3,000 deduction for using accountants to prepare personal tax returns.

That's a throwaway, people who need 3,000 dollar accountants aren't going to worry about that 'cap'. Just pure bluster and puff to impress the plebs.

Reverse Morrison’s tax cut for millionaires – ask the top tax bracket to pay a little more so we can pay down the Liberals’ debt in a responsible way.

Does anyone detect a trace of policy in that piece of snide campaign sniping?? What is that sentence doing in a list of "Policies?" It doesn't promise anything ... it says "ask" !!!! and "to pay a little more" Seriously? How little will they settle for?? Just .001% more? That would be enough to say that Labor have raised the taxes on their masters right?? ... don't go forgetting that the same people fund both Parties!

That's the policy? To ask them to pay more tax?? What about all the other stuff are they only going to be asked to comply with Labor's wish list?? wtf!??


Give workers a tax break – of up to $1,063 each year, instead of giving handouts to the top end of town.

handouts? seriously? They just made a list of handouts Labor proposes to make to people who pay no taxes at all so what the hell is that piece of verbal card trickery about ?

Level the playing field for first home buyers – by reforming tax concessions for property investors so they don’t have an unfair advantage when purchasing existing homes.

Guarantee pensions – no changes to the pension age or rebates for pensioners.

Watch out for that one!!! That last one's a zinger! That's exactly what Tony Abbott said! DodgyCool
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01-13-2019, 10:28 PM
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RE: first election ads
(01-13-2019 08:56 PM)maxhr54 Wrote:  No mention of taking away battlers franking credits in there. Angry

Labor has never cared about the 'battlers'.

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01-13-2019, 11:52 PM (This post was last modified: 01-13-2019 11:53 PM by Warri the Wombat.)
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RE: first election ads
(01-13-2019 10:14 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  
Quote:What do you think Morrison has up his sleeve to counter the above list? Will it work if he decides to just point to the Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison government successes? Will "Trust us, we know what we are doing and the other mob does not ?" be enough to hold seats in Victoria and Queensland?

Hopefully Josh will be able to explain the free candy addicts that the "above list" is going to cost massively more than will be recouped in higher taxes and stealing nest eggs from retirees who worked to earn them. The promise only extends to pensioners who didn't.

Have you really read the list of wonders Labor will perform?? The same wonders that they've been promising for decades but never did manage to get around to doing. It's pork barreling taken to high art form and any kind of reasonable thought would immediately conclude that all of these policy promises have never materialised because we simply can't afford them! It's a cruel tease, offering carob in Ferro Rocher wrappings.
You don't believe the LNP can do it, why would you believe that Labor's Tax Pixie can?? How?. They say what they'll give away, but other than threatening to steal it from those in "the top end of town" how will they pay??

Do Bill and Pixie think the 'topenders' are going to hang around and hand it over? ... or that they'll sell up and move to the Bahamas? ... and base their businesses in Asia?

Bill will only get to tax them once, and only if they're slow. They're not as gullible as Labor voters. (... and Pixie Bowen apparently).

This is not policy. This is campaigning slogan riddled bullshit. The wording is pure dogwhistle, envy fodder. It's not positive, it's just the same old Labor spin. It's 'fair' to take earnings, and fair to give them to those who don't contribute ? Nothing new there. Still relying on other peoples' money to support empty promises to the non productive.

If they confined their promises to the possible I'd be fine with it. But governments don't have any money, they can only spend ours and less and less of us are earning any to pay those taxes they always swing on. Less people earning + higher taxes = nobody working. Like Greece.

Is this Policy, or the lexicon of envy politics buzzwords??

Quote:... Treasury and Finance

Make multinationals pay their fair share – close the loopholes exploited by multinationals and stop profits being stashed away in tax havens.

Close loopholes used by the top end of town – stop the use of family trusts to avoid paying fair share of tax

Wind back the excesses in dividend imputation – end cash refunds on share dividends for investors who don’t pay tax.

Maybe they don't understand that doing that is imposing taxes on those who earn less than taxable income?? How fair is that?? Taxing pensioners is okay now? Keep your heads down! Someone needs to explain it to Pixie Bowen

Cap deductions for use of accountants – with a maximum $3,000 deduction for using accountants to prepare personal tax returns.

That's a throwaway, people who need 3,000 dollar accountants aren't going to worry about that 'cap'. Just pure bluster and puff to impress the plebs.

Reverse Morrison’s tax cut for millionaires – ask the top tax bracket to pay a little more so we can pay down the Liberals’ debt in a responsible way.

Does anyone detect a trace of policy in that piece of snide campaign sniping?? What is that sentence doing in a list of "Policies?" It doesn't promise anything ... it says "ask" !!!! and "to pay a little more" Seriously? How little will they settle for?? Just .001% more? That would be enough to say that Labor have raised the taxes on their masters right?? ... don't go forgetting that the same people fund both Parties!

That's the policy? To ask them to pay more tax?? What about all the other stuff are they only going to be asked to comply with Labor's wish list?? wtf!??


Give workers a tax break – of up to $1,063 each year, instead of giving handouts to the top end of town.

handouts? seriously? They just made a list of handouts Labor proposes to make to people who pay no taxes at all so what the hell is that piece of verbal card trickery about ?

Level the playing field for first home buyers – by reforming tax concessions for property investors so they don’t have an unfair advantage when purchasing existing homes.

Guarantee pensions – no changes to the pension age or rebates for pensioners.

Watch out for that one!!! That last one's a zinger! That's exactly what Tony Abbott said! DodgyCool

It is possible that Labor's list will be sufficient to tip the scales. It all depends on how scary the Liberals counter attack is. The coalition has now had two terms and that is usually when the honeymoon has faded. They promised a surplus budget in their first year but it still hasn't materialised. It seems it is now planned for 2020-21. Maybe.

I'm thinking that the government has run out of promises. If you follow their website links all they talk about is their successes, some of which are a but underwhelming. They will have to go negative to have any chance at all. I'm thinking that maybe Labor is ready for this. If they have any political nous at all they will have decided which electorates are vulnerable and which messages will appeal to each one. This will be a seat by seat contest. Is Morrison well suited to this kind of campaign? I don't think he will win with a generalised message on TV.

The thought just occurred to me. If I want to know the Liberals 2018 platform perhaps I should visit the IPA website. Tony Abbott's ideas mostly seemed to be lifted straight from their 100 policy suggestions.

Whoa! I just looked at the IPA website and they are not overly pleased with the Liberals.

Quote:Federal Election: A Paltry Policy Battleground
John Roskam / 11 January 2019

With this year’s federal election now only a few months away, the main themes of the Liberals’ campaign are becoming clear.

The Liberals will spend a lot of time talking about Labor’s policies on two particular issues – border protection and taxes.

It’s says a great deal about the Liberals’ policy development processes (or lack thereof) that after more than five years in power they’re left with basically just those two things to campaign on. The Liberals are terrified to talk about industrial relations, they don’t have an energy policy and on questions of values such as freedom of speech and freedom of religion they can’t agree among themselves on a position. Ouch!

Meanwhile, the two big social policy initiatives pursued by the Liberals, namely significant increases in funding for education and disability services were instituted by the Labor Party as the “Gonski” reforms and the National Disability Insurance Scheme. True

The Liberals are likely to have more political success talking about border protection than taxes. The Coalition has shut 19 immigration detention centres and there are approximately 1300 people in detention. In July 2013 there were 10,000 people in detention. A plus for the government

The differences between Liberal and Labor are less obvious when it comes to taxes.

Over their five years in office the Liberals have increased existing taxes and introduced their own new taxes – which is exactly what Labor plans to do too. Did you get that Di? This is not coming from a left wing commentator.

Liberals are frustrated

The sense of frustration among Liberals that they appear to be gaining little electoral advantage from Labor’s proposals to further increase taxes might have something to do with the fact that it was the Liberals who first started down the road to higher taxes when they introduced the so-called “deficit levy”, which increased the top personal income tax rate (including the Medicare Levy) to 49 per cent.
I forgot about that one, not that I disagreed with it.

Since then, of course, the Liberals have increased the rate of tax on superannuation savings (in the process breaking an explicit election promise) (I did not know this), introduced the bank tax and abolished the GST-free threshold on imported low value goods. ??? Really? Something else I missed.

The Liberals have been reduced to trying to convince voters that when they raise taxes it’s necessary and it’s good policy, but when Labor raises taxes it’s unnecessary and is bad policy. It’s certainly true that Labor’s plans to restrict negative gearing, increase capital gains taxes and eliminate cash rebates for dividend imputation credits are of a different nature to the kind of tax increase pursued by the Liberals, and have potentially far-reaching consequences, but it is still the case Labor is merely following down a road a first trod by the Liberals. I don't think will will cut any ice in favour of Labor though. The others did it first sounds a bit juvenile to my ears.

Treasurer Josh Frydenberg is correct to point that if a future Labor government reintroduces an increase in the top rate of personal income tax to 49 per cent, Australia’s top marginal rate will be among the highest in the world and it will cut in compared to other countries at a relatively small multiple of average weekly earnings – 2.2 times.

The trouble is, it was the Liberals who raised the top marginal rate of personal income tax to 49 per cent in in 2014 as a temporary “deficit levy”. Before that the last time the highest marginal rate of personal income tax was 49 per cent was in 1988. Unfortunate but not really something that makes any difference to my voting decision.

As yet neither the Liberals nor Labor have talked about taking the top marginal rate back to 60 per cent, which is what it was when Bob Hawke became prime minister after Malcolm Fraser. Perhaps Australian taxpayers should be thankful for small mercies.

The Liberals’ tax problem is part of a bigger challenge they’ll have in prosecuting their economic case. For example, the government is fond of saying that since it was elected more than 1.2 million jobs have been created. But as was reported on Tuesday, nearly all of the jobs growth in 2018 was in the public sector. Over the year government jobs increased by 300,000 while the number of people employed in the private sector fell by 93,000. Oops. That doesn't sound good, does it?

At the next federal election the Labor Party is promising higher taxes and more government – which is not very different from the Liberal’s track record since 2013. I doubt that the media will point this lack of difference with respect to taxation.

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