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Dutton wants power to use military force?
06-15-2019, 10:09 AM (This post was last modified: 06-15-2019 10:15 AM by Warri the Wombat.)
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Dutton wants power to use military force?
As I understand it, a state premier may call for help from the military in an emergency but apparently Peter Dutton is flagging some kind of amendment that will give him power to send the army in to quell a situation involving national security.

This needs some careful consideration. Some historic examples in this article.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-14/a...n/10064716

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-28/m...nt/9916636

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06-15-2019, 11:14 AM
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RE: Dutton wants power to use military force?
(06-15-2019 10:09 AM)Warri the Wombat Wrote:  As I understand it, a state premier may call for help from the military in an emergency but apparently Peter Dutton is flagging some kind of amendment that will give him power to send the army in to quell a situation involving national security.

This needs some careful consideration. Some historic examples in this article.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-14/a...n/10064716

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-28/m...nt/9916636

Melbourne would be a good place to start. African gangs. Idea

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06-15-2019, 12:35 PM
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RE: Dutton wants power to use military force?
Then why bother with a civilian police force at all.
Khaki clad men with sub machine guns on every street corner should make us all feel much safer.

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06-15-2019, 01:59 PM
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RE: Dutton wants power to use military force?
(06-15-2019 12:35 PM)Warri the Wombat Wrote:  Then why bother with a civilian police force at all.
Khaki clad men with sub machine guns on every street corner should make us all feel much safer.

Now you're talkin' ......

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06-15-2019, 02:05 PM
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(06-15-2019 12:35 PM)Warri the Wombat Wrote:  Then why bother with a civilian police force at all.
Khaki clad men with sub machine guns on every street corner should make us all feel much safer.

France uses police with sub machine guns.
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06-15-2019, 02:50 PM
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RE: Dutton wants power to use military force?
The French are quite prone to rioting, big time.
The English are not and most of their police are unarmed.

Where do you suppose Australians fit between the two?

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06-15-2019, 03:50 PM
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RE: Dutton wants power to use military force?
Quote:All the while, he's dished up dire warnings of what will befall us if we don't keep giving him new powers to defend us from ourselves.

That from the ABC link. Well, is it 'ourselves' when it's a terrorist act?

Was Man Monis 'ourselves'? The police made a dogs breakfast of that, a couple of military 'specialist troops' would very probably have neatened that siege up in much quicker order.

That said.

I do see the image you may hold of the National Guard in the USA.
I see Tiannaman Square, where at least one military tank driver chose not run over a protestor. But the others didn't hesitate to mow them down with smaller weapons.

Some countries appear to only have the military, the cops just do the paperwork.

'We' 'ourselves' aren't the people we were 50 years ago.
For all the talk of inclusiveness and the warm fuzziness of multiculturalism, there still some among 'us' who aren't 'ourselves'.

It's a vexed question of where the line is to be drawn. I can see a situation that the army would be better to handle, but they're like dobermans, once they're off the leash and with a quarry to hunt, they're very hard to call back in.

It's not a personal thing, army personnel are individually 'us'. But they're there to follow the orders of some career 'hawks' who are really not 'us' at all.

I'm going to do a lot more pondering before I commit either way on this.

I don't want us to go down America's track, nor do I want to see the police neutered, as they were in England until it was too late to control things.
The 'troubles' were terrorism from a 'foreign' country. The IRA weren't the Pommy version of 'us'. The British Army didn't mow down English or Northern Irish citizens to my recollection.

They were tasked with controlling the shenanigans of the people of the Irish Republic who were 'them', not 'us'.

I don't recall the Brits invading Southern Ireland but I admit that most of that whole fustercluck went on so long that I lost interest in the details. I grew up with hearing about the Fenians and the Orange men and I couldn't sustain the give a tosses.

France has always been run by drama queens and have had internal stoushes and immigration terrorism stuff going on as long as I remember. Algeria made them particularly paranoid and they haven't improved. Nor has Paris.

That was a pointless ramble except to explain why not taking a side just yet.
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06-15-2019, 05:04 PM
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RE: Dutton wants power to use military force?
I'm fine with the decision to call out the troops being left to the state premier.
This usually happens in the context of an emergency situation caused by flooding or cyclones.
When help is asked for I'm not too worried but when the feds decide they should step in I begin to wonder what is coming next. I'm still not too happy about the whole concept of Border Force. I hate the black uniforms and prefer to deal with Customs and Immigration or Coast Guard. The name fits the function but Border Force sounds too much like Defence Force for my liking.

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06-15-2019, 05:30 PM
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RE: Dutton wants power to use military force?
Better training needs to be given to the upper management of our Police tactical squad for a start.
Look at the indecision that occurred during the Martin Place tragedy. The Senior in charge failing
to trust his Marksmen ("I HAVE A SHOT"). If they can't make a decision on the job, how in the hell
would the Premier be able to rely on their advise on whether to call in the Army or not!

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06-15-2019, 05:43 PM
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RE: Dutton wants power to use military force?
I'm in favour of the word 'Force' over 'Service' as in Police Service dealing with 'clients'. The coppers lost something when we stopped regarding them as a force. They are there to protect us from the low-lives of society, with force if necessary.

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