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Uncharted territory
12-10-2019, 07:27 PM
Post: #101
RE: Uncharted territory
(11-14-2019 08:23 AM)dbeyat45 Wrote:  Yep Mullins - a member of Tim Flannery's Climate Council - is straight out wrong.

Here's another perspective:
Chris Martz on the Aussie Drought

Quote:The massive drought in Australia is being caused by cold water upwelling to the sea surface around the country, which lessens evaporation causing drought. This is due to a very strong +IOD. Cool SSTs are not consistent with warming. This is weather, not climate. Sorry folks.

Indian Ocean Dipole:

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How the IOD works (I've posted this before):

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Sea surface temperatures (a month ago, the whole NW was blue too):

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Speaking of the Indian Ocean Dipole, this article may have some relevance??

China’s deep sea prospectors may find key to marine heatwaves

Quote:He said he believed the activity led to a positive phase of the Indian Ocean Dipole – also called the Indian Nino, after the El Nino effect in the Pacific which is linked to a periodic warming in sea surface temperatures.

The warmer temperatures in the Indian Ocean caused massive drought in the southern half of Australia, with the southeast of the country worst affected. Australia experienced a particularly dry summer, with water restrictions introduced for Sydney in May, followed by unprecedented bush fires in the spring.
The east coast of southern Africa took a hit too, Yim said, with a record 10 intense cyclones last season. The biggest of them, Idai, killed more than 1,300 people and caused US$2 billion worth of economic damage to countries including Mozambique, Zimbabwe and Malawi.

Volcanic activity undersea around Madagascar could well be contributing to a warmer Western Indian Ocean .... prolonging the positive IOD and starving Oz of some much needed rainfall. Huh

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12-10-2019, 09:27 PM
Post: #102
RE: Uncharted territory
Well that wouldn't be the news to cheer the heart! That could go on for centuries.

... maybe it has before? Oz ain't Gondwana rainforest any more.
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12-10-2019, 09:56 PM
Post: #103
RE: Uncharted territory
(12-10-2019 09:27 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  Well that wouldn't be the news to cheer the heart! That could go on for centuries.

... maybe it has before? Oz ain't Gondwana rainforest any more.

This will cheer you up:

Quote:“In one century in the eleven-hundreds 70 per cent of the years are classified as drought, including a straight run of 39 drought years in a row,” said Mr Kiem, a senior lecturer and researcher on climate impacts to Australia’s long term climate cycles.

“In the fifteen-hundreds there was a really wet period with no drought for the best part of 100 years.

“So we see the Millennium drought is not unprecedented, it’s well within range. We’ve had droughts like that before, in fact we’ve had a lot worse and will again. And now there’s climate change on top of that.”

Along with the usual suspect El Nino Southern Oscillation, drought cycles are heavily influenced by the Interdecadal Pacific Oscillation.

The IPO is an ocean-atmospheric process similar to ENSO, but associated with warming and cooling across the whole Pacific Ocean, not just the tropics like ENSO.

And where ENSO runs on a three to five year cycle, the IPO runs on a 30 to 40 year cycle (see below for a run-down on how these climate cycles work).

While the past 100 years of recorded weather in Australia was dominated by relatively average IPO conditions, Australia has struggled through three big dries in that time: the Federation, World War II and Millennium droughts.

Australia drought risk revealed in ice core analysis

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12-10-2019, 11:09 PM (This post was last modified: 12-10-2019 11:10 PM by Di Wundrin.)
Post: #104
RE: Uncharted territory
Yes, I read that yesterday, scary prospect. How much coal were they burning back then?
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12-11-2019, 09:08 AM
Post: #105
RE: Uncharted territory
(12-10-2019 11:09 PM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  Yes, I read that yesterday, scary prospect. How much coal were they burning back then?

I'll look it up and get back to you.....

Incidentally, it's good to see that your state government is on board the climate scam.

Liberal minister speaks out on climate change

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12-11-2019, 10:12 AM
Post: #106
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Name noted! He must be in an inner city marginal seat. ...and in the wrong Party.

That bloody airhead Jodi Mackay has been blaming the NSW government for the smoke.

"They've done nothing about it" ..meaning nothing about instructing people how to cope with it.. I think.

The question arises why doesn't she just issue the the tips and warnings herself? No law against the opposition taking it upon themselves to do what they accuse the government of neglecting. But that wouldn't occur to her, she's never changed. She was a vapid idiot when she was in Newcastle and has merely honed the talent.

If anything these climate neurotics should be informed that it's for the best that these fires, which were always going to happen, have lit up early in the season and not on those real "fire weather" days of extreme summer temps and the hot westerlies helping them along. It's been too cool for that cloud of euco vapour the trees put out on those days which causes the crown fires. Had they started then they'd have burnt through to the coast!

And how 'anal' are city people and in particular the ABC?

All the news bulletin last night was focused on the smoke in Sydney! diddums! A few days of smoke is knocking them over like ninepins?? People in the rural areas have had it like that for weeks and we're still standing!

It's alllll about the bloody city. Time to regionalize the ABC.

It's got to be taken out of the hipster bubble and really relate to the 'diversity' of the population.

It's not all about their sexual proclivities and colours, it's about their very different interests and needs and THAT is what we pay the 14c for!
Not for them to pander to 1st world problems of the sector of the population who already has the premium services to cater to their superior lifestyle.

Let them have a go at programming to represent the 'diversity' of electorates out of the Metrop areas!

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12-11-2019, 11:11 AM
Post: #107
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Good rant!

My main takeaway from it was this template I have created for many future opportunities:

<Name> was a vapid idiot when <he/she/ze> was in <place/party> and has merely honed the talent.

No copyright attached. Feel free to use. Tongue

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12-14-2019, 07:04 AM
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RE: Uncharted territory
A little hope appears?

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12-14-2019, 07:20 AM
Post: #109
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Yes!! and it rained through the night here, Unaccompanied by storms!

And they got rain out West. Puddles in the paddocks! Half filed water tanks have sent one fella interviewed into a whole new outlook. that'll last me out for another few months. ( I hope they're really big tanks.)
But at least he can stop buying water. Happy, happy man.

Notice that the GBR hasnt been mentioned much lately? Could that be down to the ocean temps there being cooler than they were? The media interest scale seems to rise and fall with ocean temps.

You can lay a dollar on the media pre writing some gasp horror articles informing us of the irrefutable proof of climate change when the drought breaks.

And lo, sayeth the prophets of dooms, .. "there will follow mighty flooding rains where none fell before."
"the land will vanish beneath the waters of wrathful weather and the people's anguish will be mighty"...like always.
"There will be breaking news!!"

"Unprecedented record breaking rainfall has flooded previously water free environments in a glaring example of how burning coal causes weather"

"This is the most catastrophic drought breaking rain event ever experienced in living memory since the last time it happened! .... 10 years ago."

...sorry, too sarcastic?
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12-14-2019, 08:09 AM
Post: #110
RE: Uncharted territory
(12-14-2019 07:20 AM)Di Wundrin Wrote:  Yes!! and it rained through the night here, Unaccompanied by storms!

And they got rain out West. Puddles in the paddocks! Half filed water tanks have sent one fella interviewed into a whole new outlook. that'll last me out for another few months. ( I hope they're really big tanks.)
But at least he can stop buying water. Happy, happy man.

Notice that the GBR hasnt been mentioned much lately? Could that be down to the ocean temps there being cooler than they were? The media interest scale seems to rise and fall with ocean temps.

You can lay a dollar on the media pre writing some gasp horror articles informing us of the irrefutable proof of climate change when the drought breaks.

And lo, sayeth the prophets of dooms, .. "there will follow mighty flooding rains where none fell before."
"the land will vanish beneath the waters of wrathful weather and the people's anguish will be mighty"...like always.
"There will be breaking news!!"

"Unprecedented record breaking rainfall has flooded previously water free environments in a glaring example of how burning coal causes weather"

"This is the most catastrophic drought breaking rain event ever experienced in living memory since the last time it happened! .... 10 years ago."

...sorry, too sarcastic?

Unfortunately, that sarcastic tirade would be regarded as factual reporting by many. I imagined brainwashed heads nodding. Tongue

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